Oct 12 2008
Posted by David as Bob Cousy, CN8's "Out of Bounds", Comcast SportsNet, Michael Wilbon, Robin Moleux, Shots
By David Scott
Boston Sports Media Watch
We’ve had to push back the Shots Sabbatical (see prior post) to allow for this entry featuring an email back and forth between Shots and Michael Wilbon regarding Wilbon’s recent on-air at ESPN comments regarding Kimbo Slice specifically and mixed martial arts in general.
After a Friday afternoon email from Shots, Wilbon responded late Friday and then was also good enough to follow-up with a Saturday night email too.
OPENING EMAIL FROM SHOTS:
Mike -
Sorry to bother you. [An ESPN PR person] said it would be okay to contact you [via this email address].
I’m wondering if you could expand on your comments about Kimbo Slice from (Thursday’s) “PTI” show. It seems like you were making some pretty bold statements and I’m wondering what you have to back up your claims.
Anything you have will be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
David ScottWilbon Response #1
David…Sorry it took me so long to get back to you…I’m getting this at home and not at my desk in the studio…I don’t have all the details here at home but we had a story about the scurrying around to get a replacement for Kimbo’s opponent…I called the whole thing a fraud because of that and because of the way Kimbo went down…just as I’ve called prize fighting, which I covered for years and loved, a fraud in some instances…like Evander Holyfield fighting for a title these days…Holyfield fighting for such a thing and the division in general suggests a fraud on the consumer…So does scrambling around like rats to find a last-second opponent for Kimbo, then the alleged star of the division being knocked around like a rag doll by some relative nobody…As a columnist I would never let that slide. There was a whole lot going on there which raises suspicion, and I read now where there’s an official investigation of the whole thing…It smacks of an exhibition, not a competition…MW
SHOTS REPLY:
Thanks Mike. Appreciate the response.
I’m far from an MMA expert – or even a fan – but the criticism I’m reading of your comments seems to stem from A) you’re not well-informed about the sport (for instance, the difference between EliteXC and UFC) and B) you’re dismissing the fact that 4.3 million watched the fight – a very respectable number and far better then hockey or soccer for instance. (That number is what MLB is averaging on TBS for the first round of playoffs, in fact).
I guess I’m asking if you would be so dismissive and condescending to the NHL? Or MLS? Or Arena Football?
Can you see where MMA fans and supporters would be a bit outraged and perturbed? Can you also comment on whether or not you would use such harsh terms with a “mainstream” sport?
Have you received a lot of correspondence re: this subject? Seems like the MMA fans are pretty protective of their sport. . .
Thanks again for your time.
Wilbon Response #2Hi David…Believe me, I expected the criticism. But while I appear on TV 5 days a week I’m a columnist. Tough stances are what we do. I don’t need to be well versed in MMA to watch and listen and make an observation. And, I don’t care if 20 million people watch. Millions watch professional wrestling but that doesn’t mean we don’t question the outcome. The number of people watching makes it popular and well received, but doesn’t mean the event is above question. I’m not paid by MMA. I don’t care how many people watch. Why is my making the same observation about boxing, which I do know tons about and have covered and criticized, ignored in this discussion? And ANYBODY who watches “PTI” knows I have ripped (as well as praised) every single sport out there, from the NFL to MLS to NBA to the NHL to Arena Football, etc. I’ve ripped apart folks whose events get a whole lot more than 4.3 million people watching. So while there are plenty of valid criticisms of my opinions, pulling punches on various sports ain’t one of them. Whoever makes that criticism either isn’t familiar with my work or has an agenda. It’s bull*&^@ and can be completely refuted by simply pulling five tapes of “PTI” (or five of my columns) from the last 7 years. Anyway, in terms of the amount of criticism that might be coming my way, that seems to be something that people who do TV and critique TV really care about. I could care less. I’ve written a column for 18 years. I’m sure you know this ain’t the first reaction to something I’ve written. It’s their right and I encourage the give and take. But if angry readers were going to move a columnist off his mark he and his work wouldn’t be worth a damn. So if the MMA folks are upset they’ll let me know. It won’t be the first dust-up, nor the last. I think it’s a fascinating study, though, the way people apparently think now that their criticism can back people down who criticize something they love. Sorry. Not here. I don’t mind in the least the give and take with fans of whatever sport it is voicing their opinion…Conversation has to be a two-way street… In Atlanta people get upset because I call Atlanta the worst sports city in America. They write. Some scream. A very few agree. I build my argument, make my case and people accept or reject it…But it’s not like I’m going to run and hide because people send some angry e-mail…Are people in media that gutless now. If people don’t think 28 years of covering sports gives me some knowledge and insight they’ll stop watching/listening/reading. I guess we’ll see what happens over the next few days when I return to the show Monday…But thanks for engaging in the discussion. Sorry to ramble. Don’t hesitate to correspond in any case…Take care. MW
. . .It’s pretty clear to us that Wilbon is not being reckless with his words and is well aware of the impact his comments can have. His explanations are backed up well and really the only gripe we can come up with is that there is no way Wilbon would ever use such strong language (suggesting the fight was fixed) with one of the four major sports or – worse yet – a valued partner of Disney.
His other points are well taken;especially that he is a columnist – both in print and electronically – and in that role he excels like very few of his peers. It’s what makes “PTI” wor especially when he is with The Original, Tony Kornheiser.
• This note got mistakenly dropped from Friday’s column. Our apologies:
One of the best PR folks in the market, CN8’s Senior Public Relations Manager Robin Moleux and her husband Doug (owner of Northern Lights Entertainment), welcomed their second son to the world on September 8. Colin Andrew Moleux wweighed in at a John Carchedi-esque 6 lbs, 6 ounces. Big brother Jackson is reportedly already putting together a pitch for a new CN8 show called “Brothers Out of Bounds.” Congrats, Mama Moleux and the clan.
• This one confounded us the most over the weekend: In one sentence of this Frank Dell’apa follow-up in the Globe on Bob Cousy being let go by Comcast SportsNet, The Cooz claims he was being paid “what they spend monthly for office supplies.” Later, Dell’apa reports “. . .Cousy, who said he received about $50,000 annually from Comcast, will continue to work for the Celtics on a personal services contract.”
Fifty G for 10 games and (probably) some CSN goodwill appearances? That’s a heck of a lot of Post-it notes, Cooz.
Fact is, it was a cost-saving measure and yes, it was handled poorly by CSN who did its best to gloss over (and then downplay) the news of Cousy’s separation. But there isn’t a good way to justify that expense for 10 games of air time.
• Caught two seconds of Who’s Better Than Butchie Stearns on WEEI 850 AM on Sunday and we quickly switched after he reported on “Fred Smerlas’s buddy Jim Haslett’s St. Louis CARDNIALS” pulling an upset.
Sure would be an upset if a baseball team beat a football team.
Who’s better than you, Butchie? Just about everyone.
. . . Except WBZTV’s Steve Burton who wasted no time in creating must-miss TV with pink-toned Steve “DeAwful” DeOssie on “Patriots Fifth Quarter” Sunday night. So exasperated and flustered was Burton with the Pats’ loss, he could barely get words out of his mouth.
Come to think of it, that silence was the best part.
Brutal. Just brutal.
• And on that note, The Sabbatical begins in earnest.
David Scott writes from a seaside shanty on the shores of Hull, Mass. and can be reached at shotsATbostonsportsmediaDOTcom.
Scott’s first book, with Memphis Coach John Calipari, is scheduled for release in the Fall of 2009.
8 Responses
Asinistra
October 13th, 2008 at 9:45 am
1David
Since you’ve successfully opened a dialog with Wilbon–who I generally like by the way, the following notwithstanding–perhaps you can get him to either elaborate on or better yet apologize for his on-air comment prior to the KG signing that blacks did not want to play in Boston. As I say, I like the guy, but I really think he’s stuck in a pre-Pumpsie Green view of Boston.
Nathan
October 13th, 2008 at 11:48 am
2Wilbon says “Millions watch professional wrestling but that doesn’t mean we don’t question the outcome.” Pro wrestling hasn’t been a legitimate athletic competition for a loooooong time Mike, probably close to a century. You can’t make the comparison between the two as fraud on the consumer because wrestling has been a fraud that the consumer willingly went along with and paid money to see.
He also says “I don’t need to be well versed in MMA to watch and listen and make an observation.” True, but that will also mean that those folks who are knowledgeable about the sport will have no problem dismissing a lot of what he says because he seems unwilling to take the time to really learn about the sport. A large part of PTI’s appeal can come from its shoot-from-the-hip opinions and quick pithy comments, but when you put yourself out there with an opinion, say you don’t know the sport, and then get called on it, well, I think you’ve either got to endeavor to learn the subject or leave it alone.
Mike
October 13th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
3“I don’t need to be well versed in MMA to watch and listen and make an observation.”
Yes, you do, Mike. You have a national platform to air your views. You absolutely should be well-versed on something before you pop off about it on national television, especially when when those observations make it clear you don’t have a clue what you are watching.
And if Elite XC aired on ESPN, no way in hell do you dare cry “fix” on their airwaves, Mike. And you know it.
Mark
October 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
4“You absolutely should be well-versed on something before you pop off about it on national television, especially when when those observations make it clear you don’t have a clue what you are watching.”
I think you have to remember that they don’t necessarily get to pick everything they talk about. When ESPN first started airing NASCAR, all of a sudden they started talking alot more about the sport, presumably because there was pressure from above to do so. They’d usually say in a tongue in cheek manner that they really had little idea what they were talking about and just kinda shooting from the hip with surface observations. They’ve generally said the same sort of thing when they talk about most sports they don’t have a very deep background with like soccer, hockey, Arena football, MMA, whatever. I don’t have a problem with them coming in off the cuff like that as long as they make it fairly clear that they don’t necessarily have encyclopedic knowledge about the sport, regardless of whether they’ve got a national show or not.
BDT
October 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
5As a sportswriter and someone with a mutual friend of Wilbon’s, I definitely understand where he’s coming from. Do I know anything about professional foosball (yes, it exists)? No, but I’ve had to write stories about it. My point is that he’s been forced to talk about something he doesn’t know much about, so he has to trust whatever instincts he’s developed from his experiences with other sports. I’d call his experience with boxing better than you’ll find with most sportswriters. That said, I don’t think I’d have used the words “fix” and “fraud” without some more concrete evidence. But, columnists get to do that and if he’s comfortable with it, I won’t criticize him.
Rudy
October 14th, 2008 at 8:54 am
6Steve:
Please check in regularly. You will be missed greatly! I suspect you are too humble to realize the appetite we have for the very valid criticisms you have of no-talent ass clowns like DeOssie, Sterns, Shepturd and Buckley. We actually have an appetite also for praise of below-the-radar talents. Come back soon!
Wilmoth
October 14th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
7I can see where someone who doesn’t watch EliteXC could have watched that fight and thought something was fishy. But if you knew the full story, that Kimbo was EliteXC’s meal ticket, that the company has already posted over $50 milllion in loses and because of his loss and the fiasco that insued that they are now in danger of being dropped by CBS. No one in their right mind knowing those facts would propose that the fight was fixed, it would make absolutely zero business sense. Can someone please explain this to Willy buns? ( a term of endearment to Wilbon, whom I am a big fan of!).
Someone put it into terms Wilbon can understand. Tell him this is like the Lakers making it to the NBA finals for the West and then the Knicks make it to the East Coast finals agasint the Washington Wizards and lose controversially and someone who knows nothing about the NBA proclaims that the NBA fixed the game for the Knicks to lose and setup a dream (sarcasm) matchup of the Lakers vs the Wizards in the finals. As ridiculous as that is, it still doesn’t compare to making the assertion that the Kimbo fight was fixed.
DryHeave1
October 16th, 2008 at 7:52 am
8Who the bleep cares about Kimbo Slice?
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